. >> it began with a triple-a credit rating for the united states and ends in a down grade of america. >> eliot: for more i'm joined by former senior adviser to president clinton 1996 re-election and by political reporter joe williams. joe, let me go to you. you're down in dc, in the center of the political media. is the media finally standing up and saying we're not going to repeat these claims you're making without telling the public many of them are outright false. >> well, i think the media is starting to get it because there are some claims that are too bold and too bald to let go past. it's a been a little while to take a number of these things and add up before people catch on and say they're lying deliberately. but now you have a different phenomena. the right wing have their own watchdogs and they're pushing back against the actual fact. you have a dynamic here where they're not only creating falsehoods but creating their own reality against people who are calling them out for creating their own reality. it's very bizarre and i've seening in like it. >> eliot: you know richar